064 – Secular no more! [Podcast]

A replay of one of my favorite episodes

secular no more

Welcome to Season 2 of the Your Church Matters podcast.  Due to a busy travel schedule, a major book writing project, and 4 church consultations in process, I will be offering  some replays of the main content of some previous episodes for Episodes 61-64 (March 29, April 5, April 12, April 19).

In this episode (64), I replayed the content of Episode 20, Secular no more!



In this episode, I unpacked some of my thoughts in response to a Facebook post from Leonard Sweet.

Here’s the quote: “I don’t have the energy or the time to live in a divided world–sacred vs. secular. There is only one world. And it is all God’s world, a world “God so loved that …”

I am completely on-board with his thinking and I identified 6 Problems with the Sacred/Secular Distinction that can lead to an unbiblical, unhealthy, and unhelpful worldview

1. View of Self

2. View of Work

3. View of Ministry Calling

4. View of Play, Rest, and Joy

5. View of God and His World

6. View of Truth


I’m trying to remove secular from my vocabulary and live with the understanding that there is only sacred and sinful. 3 Tests to determine if something is sacred or sinful:

1. Content – Can this be done for the glory of God?

2. Intent – Am I seeking to display the character of God?

3. Context – As I seek to display His character and live for His glory, is it the right time and place for this?


This podcast content actually led to my expanding on the idea and writing my eBook, On God’s Back Porch: resting in and enjoying God’s will when you don’t have specific directions.  Click on the title to find out how to get it for FREE.


Helpful Resources Related to the Sacred/Secular Discussion:

Secular vs. Sacred: What’s Our Primary Call? (Os Hillman)

Theology Refresh Podcast: Sacred and Secular (Matt Reagan)

Of Sacred or Secular? (Tom Weston)

Sacred or Secular: Why You Shouldn’t Divide Your Life (Michael Stewart)


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